Gone Away ~ The journal of Clive Allen in America

Don't Quote Me...
01/06/2006

Quite often on the net, we are given the opportunity to include a favorite quote in the forms that we fill in. On most of mine, you will find the words, "What's done is dung", which is actually a quote from myself. But it's not really my favorite; I much prefer the last words of General John Sedgwick, the highest ranking Union officer to be killed in the Civil War: "Don't be silly. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."

I love the irony implicit in the statement and its outcome. So why don't I put it down as my favorite quote? The problem stems from the fact that it's not quite what he said; the story has been honed down over the years to make it appear more dramatic. Here's what really happened, according to the Wikipedia entry on General Sedgwick:

"Sedgwick fell at the beginning of the Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, on May 9, 1864. His corps was probing skirmish lines ahead of the left flank of Confederate defenses and he was directing artillery placements. Confederate sharpshooters were about 1,000 yards away and their shots caused members of his staff and artillerymen to duck for cover. Sedgwick strode around in the open and was quoted (Foote, 1974) as saying, 'What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when they open fire along the whole line? I am ashamed of you. They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance.' Although ashamed, his men continued to flinch and he repeated, 'I'm ashamed of you, dodging that way. They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance.' Just minutes later, he fell forward with a bullet hole below his left eye. He was the highest ranking Union casualty (the most senior by date of rank of all major generals killed) of the Civil War."

Those extra minutes between the statement and the shot completely ruin the irony. No wonder that posterity has seen fit to remove them and truncate the last word.

What is surprising is how often famous quotes weren't said at all. We all know that the phrase, "Play it again, Sam", was never spoken in the film Casablanca, in spite of our continued acceptance of it as a catchphrase. The Wikipedia has this to say on the subject:

"Ilsa says 'Play it once, Sam, for old times' sake'; in response, Sam tries to lie, saying 'I don't know what you mean, Miss Ilsa'; and she says 'Play it, Sam. Play As Time Goes By.' When Rick hears the song, not realizing yet that Ilsa is there, he rushes up and says 'I thought I told you never to play that.' Later, alone with Sam, he says 'You played it for her and you can play it for me', and then 'If she can stand it, I can! Play it!' In A Night in Casablanca, all this dialogue was parodied using the line 'Play it again, Sam' — a phrase which has incorrectly become associated with the original film."

But this is merely the most famous of inaccurate quotes. A little research reveals hordes of them, some the most famous of all. For instance, Lord Horatio Nelson's last words at the Battle of Trafalgar are popularly supposed to be, "Kiss me, Hardy". Not so, it seems. Once again, I have recourse to the Wikipedia entry:

"Nelson's final words (as related by Victory's Surgeon William Beatty, based on the accounts of those who were with Nelson when he died) were 'Thank God I have done my duty'. According to Beatty, he repeated these words several times until he became unable to speak.

"In his dying hours, Nelson was also attended by his chaplain, Alexander Scott, his steward, Chevalier and Walter Burke, the purser, whose accounts have been available for modern biographers of Nelson. In those accounts, Nelson's last words were 'Drink, drink. Fan, fan. Rub, rub.' This was a request to alleviate his symptoms of thirst, heat and the pains of his wounds (Pocock, Horatio Nelson, 1987, p.331).

"It is a common misconception that Nelson's last words were 'Kiss me, Hardy', spoken to the captain of HMS Victory, Thomas Hardy. Nelson did, in fact, say this to Hardy a short time before his death, but they were not his last words, and Hardy was not present at his death (having been called back on deck). Some have speculated that Nelson actually said 'Kismet, Hardy', but this is impossible, since the word kismet did not enter the English language until much later."

Which is all a bit more complicated than we had supposed. What is strange about it, however, is that the most noble candidate, "Thank God I have done my duty", has been ignored for the dated and rather odd, "Kiss me, Hardy". Why that should have happened, I have no idea.

Then there are the famous words of Julius Caesar as reported by Shakespeare: "Et tu, Brute". As a line from a play, we should expect that this would be inaccurate but it doesn't miss the mark by much, as the Wikipedia makes clear:

"His (Julius Caesar's) last words are, unfortunately, not known with certainty, and are a contested subject among scholars and historians. In Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, Caesar's last words are given as 'Et tu, Brute?' ('And [even] you, Brutus?'). His actual last words are most widely believed to be 'Tu quoque, Brute, fili mi?' ('You also, Brutus, my son?'), or 'Tu quoque, mi fili?' ('You also, my son?'). It is possible, however, that these phrases are translations or adaptations of his last words, which he spoke in Greek, into Latin; Suetonius stated that Caesar said, (a phrase) in Greek, (transliterated as 'kai su, teknon?', or 'even you, my child?')."

While Shakespeare's rendering is brief and without the reference to Brutus as his son, it still contains the impact of surprise and betrayal that Caesar felt on realizing that even Brutus had deserted him. Perhaps we should give the Bard more recognition as an historian as well as a playwright.

All this indecision and misreporting leaves me with a need for an accurate quote that I can put on those internet forms. A bit of digging has produced the following possibilities:

"I'm bored with it all."
Winston Churchill, statesman, d. January 24, 1965. Said before slipping into a coma. He died 9 days later.

"I've had eighteen straight whiskies, I think that's the record..."
Dylan Thomas, poet, d. 1953.

"Either that wallpaper goes, or I do."
Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900.

Perhaps I'll stick with, "What's done is dung"...

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Mad
Trust Churchill to go out with a good line. "They couldn't hit a barn at this dist..." is the quote on my Yahoo profile and has been since 1999.
Date Added: 01/06/2006

Gone Away
Yeah, Churchill always had a way with words. But a bit of a downer to find that General Sedgwick's quote isn't quite correct, isn't it?
Date Added: 01/06/2006

Boogie
I love that wallpaper one, it made me laugh! I have a quote book and collect quotes people around me say. You can get some great ones from eves dropping. Not that I eves drop. Example- 'Person: . . . . he was blind and said "Dogs are surpost to be mans best friend, but they smell." Other person: He was probably trying to create a diversion at the front of the bus.' Hours of entertianment in that book.
Date Added: 01/06/2006

Gone Away
Yes, that wallpaper one is so typical of Oscar Wilde. And I like it more than his more famous one, delivered as he went through Customs somewhere: "I have nothing to declare but my genius". And it's true that great quotes can be overheard if one just listens carefully. I knew a guy who had a whole blog devoted to just that...
Date Added: 02/06/2006

Keeefer
Im gutted about ole General sedgewick. He evidently lacked comic timing.
Its good to see the marx brothers have left there mark on casablanca. If you ever read the Groucho letters theres a great bit of correspondence between Groucho and Warner Bros(the makers of the original casablanca). WB are threatening legal action if the marx bros use the name in the title of their film. To which Groucho fires off an angry retort stating that he is prepared to sue over their use of the word brothers. Its classic Marx.
Date Added: 02/06/2006

keeef
And i forgot to mention......what is the Wilipedia?

you are human after all ;P
Date Added: 02/06/2006

Gone Away
Groucho was a comic genius - and that exchange makes that clear. And you may be gutted about General Sedgwick, Keef, but I am equally so at being caught in a typo. It has been amended now so everyone will wonder what you're talking about - but we know, don't we...?
Date Added: 02/06/2006

Mad
*mumbles "lunatics" under his breath*

And I knew that Sedgwicks quote was wrong but I kept it from the world prefering the mythologised version... :p
Date Added: 02/06/2006

Gone Away
Don't tell anyone, Mad, but I also knew and kept silent... ;)
Date Added: 02/06/2006

Fragile Industries
Entertaining post! Although I was a history major undergrad, and thus sworn to uphold accuracy and fact, I much prefer history as an agreed-upon fiction. So I say stick with the apocryphal Sedgwick quote. Groucho, Oscar Wilde and Churchill are all highly quotable, without resort to "truthiness," as Steven Colbert would say. They are all up there with the bible and Shakespeare in the list of Top Phrasemakers. And Casablanca, ah, Casablanca. Not only does that movie have great personal meaning (check this out), Casablanca is the source of the most great movie lines ever. Captain Renault: What in heaven´s name brought you to Casablanca? Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters. Captain Renault: The waters? What waters? We´re in the desert. Rick: I was misinformed. And so on. I have three favorite quotes which I apply to art: "I am trying to rip open the inconsolable secret in each one of you -- the secret which hurts so much that you take your revenge on it by calling it names like Nostalgia and Romanticism and Adolescence." C.S. Lewis "If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it." Albert Einstein "Art is not a mirror held up to reality, but a hammer with which to shape it." Bertolt Brecht None are Famous Last Words, which is its own category, closely related to Great Gravestone Epitaphs. "I told you I was sick." Unknown. I´ll look into those, find my own and hope I have the presence of mind to use it when the occasion arises.
Date Added: 02/06/2006

Gone Away
And your post is brilliant, Fragile (as well as your comment). I have an admission to make, however: I am probably the only person in the world who has never watched Casablance all the way through...
Date Added: 03/06/2006

Gone Away
Ummm, Mad, can you fix the URL please? :D
Date Added: 03/06/2006

Way
I am dung, but I enjoyed it.
Date Added: 03/06/2006

Gone Away
You are never dung, Way. :)
Date Added: 03/06/2006

prying1
Gosh! I guess I should read more and watch more classic movies. - The only classic quote I can come up with is Bart Simpson saying, "I Didn't Do it!"
Date Added: 04/06/2006

Gone Away
Yet what a classic that is, Paul! I love the Simpsons...
Date Added: 04/06/2006

Stuart
"I have an admission to make, however: I am probably the only person in the world who has never watched Casablance all the way through... " There are actually two of us Clive ;)
Date Added: 04/06/2006

Gone Away
Yes!!!
Date Added: 04/06/2006

Keeef
'I told you i was sick' was what Spike Milligan wanted on his gravestone (ive no idea if it ever was inscribed).

I thought the 'wilipedia' was some online victoria secrets database......i was so disappointed ;p
Date Added: 05/06/2006

Gone Away
Yes, I like the Milligan quote, Keef. But as for the Wilipedia, I am sorry you were so disappointed but I think it deserves to go into the Encyclopedia of Rather Apt Typos, don't you?
Date Added: 05/06/2006

keeef
Would a typopedia be a collection of and\or authority on typos, or a fetish for them?

I envisage ageing wordsmiths hunched over keyboards in their grubby trenchcoats enticing bloggers with lines like 'wound yor pike to see my poppies'
Date Added: 07/06/2006

Gone Away
I think fetish would be the answer, Keef. Here are a few examples culled from the fertile fields of chat by a good friend of mine:

"I make enemies just by pooping into the rooms."
"Wrong, b/c religion condoms beating but the people around are the one's who condole it."
"I sing old Mexican balds."
"Just how is everyone's genetal mood today?"
"I hate cold weather. I gets kinda niply."
Date Added: 07/06/2006

keeef
lmao, classic stuff
Date Added: 08/06/2006

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