Comments on 'Max Mosley and the Meeting' on F1 Insight

Comment by Keith Collantine

02/06/2008 17:10:27

It's rare to see F1 fans so strongly agreed on anything but over at F1 Fanatic 86% of voters so far want him to go. I have to agree with them and you Clive, it's a disgrace it's been allowed to go on so long.

Comment by Arun Srinivasan

02/06/2008 18:07:27

Clive, I have made this point across many a sites, and people, but they simply won't get it. What it is is, I want everyone to seperate personal life and professional life. We all have problems personally, and short comings. But that shouldn't have to interfere with how well we work. I love Kobe Bryant's play (he is simply the best out there now) eventhough I know there was a rape charge against him which was settled outside of the court. My fav band Metallica were well known drug addicts, and have done what not, but their music is one that I still dig into, even after 15 years. My fav tennis star currently, Djokovic, shouts expletives even when he plays in front of his family. I just run around the house when he wins a match. So I still have been surprised on how many people's professional careers have been interrupted by their personal short comings, Bill Clinton-one of US's best presidents, Mayor of New york, and many others. They are not our idols, are they? Idols are supposed to be speck less, not normal workers. Do I have a point? (By the way, I am not a fan of Mosley simply because of his work, and the way he hopes to carry f1 in the future, and I'd be happy if he resigns because of his professional actions)

Comment by Clive

02/06/2008 18:33:13

I have been following the progress of your poll, Keith (88% want Max gone when I last looked), and it is very clear that most fans agree on this. If only the FIA were to take note...

Comment by Steven Roy

02/06/2008 18:38:33

To an extent I agree with Arun that Max's private habits should not decide his fate. Frankly what he gets up to is not something I care remotely about. However the effects of his actions have now made it impossible for him to do the job. He has been banned from Bahrain. No-one at Monaco would be seen in public with him. The team principals refused to meet him. The drivers refused to meet him and the local royalty refused to meet him. The result of that is he cannot represent F1 and motor sport with any authority. A significant number of national touring associations have gone public against him knowing that if he survives they will be persecuted. They have made this move with the intention that if he survives they will set up their own organisation. The result of that is he cannot represent the touring arm of the FIA with any authority and may end up competing with former members. Max will do anything to hang on to power for the sake of it even if it leads to the FIA losing some of its most powerful members. Look at the percentage of FIA members who belong to AAA for example. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by the FIA or any section of the FIA by Max remaining in his position. On the contrary there is a lot to be lost including a loss of authority and the potential break up of the organisation. The only reason I can see for anyone voting for Max is self-interest and that is all Max and Bernie have ever been interested in. Bernie is now prepared to stab Max in the back out of self interest. I would much prefer that Max had been unseated for his incompetence, bias, corruption than for his extra-curricular activities but the structures and procedures he put in place made that next to impossible. In the end though so long as he goes I really don't care what triggers his departure. The problem is the procedures he has in place mean that even if there is a 100% vote of no cofidence he does not have to quit. How can an organisation allow rules like that to be put in place?

Comment by Clive

02/06/2008 18:45:09

The reason people don't get your point, Arun, is that it's flawed. The fact is that a man's morality does affect his ability to do certain jobs. Why do you think convicted criminals have so much difficulty in finding jobs after they have "paid their debt to society"? It is because they have demonstrated an untrustworthy morality and employers are not bound to assume that has changed merely though their sentences being served. In Max's case, his morality is of importance because the job of FIA President requires the incumbent to speak to and negotiate with people of many different cultures. In the western world sexual deviance may no longer be regarded as immoral but in other areas of the world it is. Even within western society, the majority probably are still repelled by such behavior. And so Max finds that hardly anyone wants to deal with him anymore - how can he do his job? I have argued elsewhere that immorality affects the way any job is carried out so I need not go into that here. But you have to accept that there are those, apparently a majority judging by Keith's poll, who do feel that Max's revealed tastes disqualify him for the position of FIA President. It is not a refusal to get your point, Arun - it is a disagreement with your premise.

Comment by Clive

02/06/2008 18:51:00

Obviously, I agree with what you say, Steven, except that I go further and say that Max's private life does have an effect on his ability to do his job, beyond the matter of meeting people from all over the world. The important thing is that he must go, for whatever reason, or the FIA will become a mockery (well, beyond what it has managed to achieve on that score already).

Comment by David

02/06/2008 19:46:45

That some 86% are calling for Mad Max’s replacement really comes as no great surprise. Fact is, over the years an increasing number have accepted Max failed the FIA in his tenure as president. However, influential sources such as FIA members and F1 teams have, with good reason, been afraid to speak out against their leader and the dedicated fan’s complaints have, as usual, fallen upon deaf ears while the sport spiraled on into disarray. Mosley’s sexual exposé provided the opportunity for everyone to openly call for his demise, and many have done exactly that ... in the large part based on this escapade alone. If an entirely different reason (other than incompetence) is needed to remove Max from office, then by all means let’s use it. Is that really fair? Well, I only advocate exercising one of the FIA’s myriad of rules - that of bringing the sport into disrepute - which he has not hesitated to use against others any time he saw fit. I, for one, will gladly take this alternate route if that’s what’s needed to see a final shot of his scrawny butt exiting the F1 scene ... hopefully forever!

Comment by Arun Srinivasan

02/06/2008 19:57:16

You've got every right to disagree Clive. Anyways, hope what's good happens and we have a new president, and a great Canadian weekend.

Comment by Clive

02/06/2008 20:20:47

I suppose it's a bit like the Al Capone story, David - he was known to be a gangster involved in all sorts of illegal activities but the police couldn't prove it. So they got him on tax evasion! You are right that he has brought the sport into disrepute and, by his own rules, should resign therefore. Hopefully we will see a new era dawn shortly.

Comment by Clive

02/06/2008 20:22:05

Absolutely, Arun, and it's good to be reminded of the approaching Canadian GP. If it is anything like as exciting as last year's, it'll be a cracker!

Comment by Steven Roy

02/06/2008 21:05:57

Clive, my e-mail is playing up and I know this is not the right place to bring this up but it is the best chance of you seing it. John Beamer has a piece on http://www.f1-pitlane.com/ titled The importance of tyres. Every time I try to access it I get a single line of text saying that I am not authorized to access it. Also I notice on Dan's piece on faux environmentalism that all the comments are underlined. That makes it really annoying to read. Is that standard now or is it a one off?

Comment by Clive

02/06/2008 21:19:58

Steven: I knew what was wrong with the tyre article as soon as I read your comment - it is fixed. It's been a while since I used our Yahoo Group but I will be sending out a message on submitting articles. This should prevent the above glitch from happening again. The underlining thing I can't duplicate so have no idea what is causing it. I'll pass it on to John - he's the techy brain amongst us!

Comment by Steven Roy

02/06/2008 22:20:31

I forgot all about the Yahoo group. I looked at it last week but didn't think of it today.

Comment by Pink Peril

03/06/2008 00:28:18

What organisation wants to be headed by a laughing stock? Make no mistake, that is exactly what S&Max is since this incident. Which is kind of fitting really, 'cos I thought he was a joke anyway and have ever since the 2005 Oz GP. Fingers crossed that sanity will prevail in Paris today.

Comment by francois

03/06/2008 13:25:47

He's just won the vote of confidence , by 103 votes.All hell will break loose now. I find it incredible in what is supposedly a secret ballot there'd be so many yes-men around in the FIA that are seemingly so naive as to not be able to see how he's dragged the association into disrepute , and will do so further now.He's effectively a passenger , now that his role as president will be rendered completely dysfunctional. I suppose Eddie Jordan was being rather optimistic when he gave a radio interview (on BBC Sport) in which he felt that Max did this vote to prove a point , and now being successful that he would realise the damage he's done to the FIA that he would step down. Something else Eddie said was also significant , he suggests sponsors might not be so forthcoming for some of the independent teams now because they would not want to be associated with "a sport in which a third of the members of the governing body do not agree with the principles (or something like that).T-mobile for example pulled out of cycling sponsorship I think in the wake of Floyd Landis's drugs cheating because they had enough and didn't want to be associated with drugs cheats. I don't think the FIA can afford to wait until the fall of 2009 to put a new man in as president when Mad Max says he'll be retiring , not sure if they'll even be regarded as credible by then at this rate...

Comment by Clive

03/06/2008 13:31:41

I am working on a follow-up post now that the result of the vote is known, Francois. The fall-out begins already, with ADAC stating that it will have nothing to do with the FIA as long as Mosley remains in charge. And ADAC is the largest motoring organization in Europe... Bernie was right - Mosley has no investment in motor sport and doesn't give a stuff what happens to it as long as he can retain power.

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