Comments on 'Ron Dennis and McLaren' on F1 Insight

Comment by Steven Roy

03/03/2008 17:36:00

I have made a point of trying not to comment on this story aside from having a go at the original Marca item. However I think if there is any truth in any of it Ron would retire as team principal but stay on as Chairman and CEO of the McLaren Group. So although technical and officially the baton would be passed to Whitmarsh Ron would still be his boss and still be in control of the company. Personally I hope he stays and fights but after the year he has had it would be understandable if he wanted a little bit of piece and quiet.

Comment by Arnet

03/03/2008 18:50:47

I posted this at F1fanatic: Dennis has been saying for a while now that he has his succession planned and mapped out in advance. He alludes to stepping aside or stepping up instead of stepping down. We have no way of knowing whether last years farce will speed up or delay those plans, but I doubt it will alter them. He will not quit, and he won’t (can’t) get fired, so it’s up to him to decide what role he will play. My hunch is, even if he was going to step back this year, he’ll push it off a year, just to put some distance between it and the scandal. Ron may not have been the most touchy-feely character, and his mode of communicating was off-putting to some, but to me, the more Max bashed and insulted him, the more I moved over to Ron’s camp. He appears to be a control and neat freak, logical and unemotional, but he has spoken about the great pain he feels losing, and joy in winning. He’s not emotional in that Latin passionate way, but he clearly has a passion for the sport. One of the racers. Flavio has mentioned that Bernie is his best friend, and that they talk 6 times a day. He is inside the system. Ron fought the system, with only his team and F1 in mind, as opposed to Ferrari, who only have the team in mind. In a way Dennis is both establishment and maverick. I have great respect for how he took the whole mess on the chin and said “Let’s move on” when he was indeed treated to, in Brundles words, a witch hunt. I hope he stays on for as long as keeps him happy. The sport is far better of for him being in it.

Comment by Clive

03/03/2008 19:54:52

It would certainly be an option to put Whitmarsh in as race team boos, I agree, Steven. I wonder whether Ron is ready to do that yet, however - he is so important a component to the team. And, like you, I hope he stays and fights!

Comment by Clive

03/03/2008 19:58:28

Yes, I read your comment at F1 Fanatic, Arnet, and thought it an excellent description of Ron's qualities and importance to F1. I hope Ron reads this and realizes that we are not all against him.

Comment by Christine

03/03/2008 21:05:11

I feel sorry for Ron Dennis. Last year was quite obviously a killer for him, he was emotional at the majority of races during the second half of the season. What if he has been planning a retirement, or sideways step for a few years? Now all the papers will say it's because of the espionage thing. Should he stay just so he will be able to leave with his head held high? Rock and a hard place, if you ask me.

Comment by sidey

03/03/2008 21:29:18

asking a dumb question, but why "later this week"? if the rumours are true, what's he going to be doing until then? monday: afternoon tea with friends tuesday: light supper / trip to sainsbury's wednesday: quit job seems a bit protracted to me.

Comment by Clive

03/03/2008 21:52:29

All true, Christine, and it seems just to go on and on for him. I really wouldn't blame him if he just walked away. But I don't think it's in his nature to do that...

Comment by Clive

03/03/2008 21:55:05

Good point, Sidey, and maybe a reason not to believe the rumours. Seems a bit masochistic to give hints but delay any formal announcement.

Comment by Pink Peril

03/03/2008 22:27:28

But why would Dennis quit - if indeed that is his plan - one week before the start of the season? To my mind, if he was going to go it would be at a lot 'neater' time - at the end of last season for starters. I am in two minds about this one. On one hand I don't think Dennis should quit at the moment. Better to go out on a high, without the lingering stench of last years witchhunt. And why should he leave? He does have one of the most successful teams on the grid after all, in no small part of his doing. But having gone for the jugular and not succeded - will Mad Max and di Montezemolo give up? Or will they keep pushing - their clearly personal vendetta against Dennis - until something gives? It might be better for the teams prospects if Dennis was not it's figurehead. Depends on what he thinks is best for 'the team'. Actually, if Bernie & Dennis are besties, maybe that's why Mad Max hates him so much? Perhaps they wouldn't let him play in the sandpit with them and that's why he is so vicious towards Dennis (with the prodding of his own bestie, Luca). Hmmmm. It all fits doesn't it? ;) Anyway, if Dennis does leave I'd be sad to see him go.

Comment by Arnet

03/03/2008 22:46:44

Actually Peril, it's Flabio and Bernie that are besties.

Comment by F1Punter

03/03/2008 22:54:25

I am a sucker for reading between the lines, but I found this quote from Lewis Hamilton on the matter interesting: "My partnership with Mercedes-Benz is just as strong as my relationship with McLaren, so I am completely relaxed." Source: Planet-F1

Comment by Clive

03/03/2008 23:08:58

Yeah, I don't think Ron is besties with anyone. But the whole thing does seem very personal, just as you say, Peril. I'm not sure about the Hamilton quote, Punter. Isn't he avoiding saying anything by pointing out that he's okay, whatever happens? I don't think it's a veiled hint that Ron is about to go. The interesting thing is that, if you put that quote with Frank Williams' story of how he nearly took Hamilton on, you have a slightly different picture of the supposedly buddy-buddy relationship between Hamilton and Ron. They have had their differences in the past, it seems, and the Hamiltons, father and son, are quite prepared to go wherever they see the best opportunity. It really does look as though Ron is running short of friends. Or maybe he just picks the wrong ones...

Comment by Pink Peril

03/03/2008 23:50:06

Oopps. Well, maybe Ron should try & besties with Bernie then - might improve his luck !

Comment by Arnet

04/03/2008 01:38:39

Sounds like the immovable object meeting the irresistible force with those two egos.

Comment by John F

04/03/2008 13:24:21

I am not for this but I can see his point to step down. First I agree that the timing is not good. Maybe he should have done this at the end of last year. But I have to look at the timing of the search of his house and office. Last year, it is my opinion that the distraction caused by the scandel cost McLaren both championships. Mis-communication could be to blame for the mistakes made last year by the team. The Tyre issue is first that comes to mind. Any distraction for the team is harmful. I then look at the events of last week--Ron does not want this season to have any distractions. If he is the focus of the investegation by the Italiens then he would like to do it away from the team. I have to agree with him. Taking one for the team is an age old motto. Ron Dennis, along with a few other pricipals have done more for F1 as a whole then the FIA has done as an organization. That being said I will certainly miss him as will the entire F1 community. Ron has groomed Whitemarsh for the position for some time now. I realize that a change in McLaren is enivitable with the switch. I anticipate that the change will miniscule at first. Why change a good thing. Sidey I agree why annouce your retirement to be later in the week. I am still trying to figure out what the advantage is to announce your departure in this manner. I just thought is was an "English" thing. But I guess I am wrong.

Comment by Clive

04/03/2008 14:35:14

We need to remember that nothing is confirmed as yet. The Sunday Times says it had the story from a reputable source but I'm sure Marca would claim the same. As long as the press can keep its "sources" secret, they can claim just about anything and add that they have it from a reliable source. I am not convinced that Ron is about to step down from anything - and we don't have too long to wait before he will advise us one way or the other. It might be telling, however, that the expected announcement has been stretched from "within the next week" to two weeks. If it doesn't happen then, will we be told that we have to wait another month? That could keep going for years - until Ron actually does retire, in fact. And then The Sunday Times can tell us that they told us so! :)

Comment by F1 Betting

04/03/2008 15:33:49

The Guardian had him being relieved of his position at some point this week too, so for those two highly respected papers to lead with the story then we have to presume this is more than just speculation and something is in the pipeline. It may be that his replacement is proving tricky to find and that's why it's been delayed but no smoke without fire for me on this one and I expect him to leave in the next few days.

Comment by Journeyer

04/03/2008 15:36:14

It's looking likely Ron will retire. Why is that? Well, put simply, if Ron was planning to stay for the foreseeable future, he would have denied it right away. Leaving rumors like this, just lingering, don't do any good... unless they are more than rumors. It's a matter of finding the right time. Retiring when the media are all over the story isn't typical Ron. He'll wait for that time when everyone is looking somewhere else, so the media don't stampede him (well, not as badly anyway as if he were to retire right now).

Comment by Steven Roy

04/03/2008 16:10:48

Ron hired Whitmarsh with a view to him taking over when Ron retired. That was 19 years ago. I have lost count of the number of times I have read over the years that now was the time. When Hakkinen won his championships. When Whitmarsh had been in his job for ten years. When Schumacher and Ferrari started to dominate. I don't recall Ron commenting on any of those. We will find out soon enough. If he is in Melbourne he is staying. If he is not in Melbourne he probably isn't. One of the problems with appointing a successor is it creates the kind of pressure we see now because people expect hi to succeed the incumbent. I find it strange that there is a similarity in what Ron is going through now and what Schumacher went through in his final season. The difference of course is the political animals at Ferrari backed the man who turned their team around into a corner and effectively forced him to retire. McLaren is not such a political team and they will give Ron space to make his own decision. Ferrari owe everything they are today to Schumacher but they couldn't help reverting to type and biting the hand that fed them. McLaren owes everything it is today to Ron Dennis. Hopefully they will have learned from Ferrari. I just hope they don't tell anyone they did. Joe Ramirez knows a thing or twelve about being successful in F1 and with McLaren. His comments at http://formula1sport.net/formula-1/mclaren-doomed-without-dennis-ramirez/ make very interesting reading.

Comment by Clive

04/03/2008 16:29:33

Hmmm, so F1 Betting and Journeyer are betting on the story being true, Steven Roy reckons it probably isn't. One thing I do know: apparently Ron will be in Melbourne although he may arrive late because of a near-clashing engagement. So we could carry on guessing for a while yet. The Grauniad may just be picking up on The Sunday Times story, of course, so I don't put too much weight on that one. Now, if it were The Daily Telegraph... ;) It seems to me that what has has happened is this: Ron noted the fuss over the Marca story and discussed it with a trusted friend (he must have some after all). No doubt his tiredness came across and the friend has added two and two to make five. In a subsequent telephone conversation with another friend, he let slip the info that Ron was about to retire. Who knows how many friends became in involved in the change before the story reached The Sunday Times? Obviously, I doubt the whole thing and expect Ron to continue until he feels he has beaten the slur of the Ferrari documents case. But I could be wrong; as the monkey said, that remains to be seen...

Comment by Alianora La Canta

05/03/2008 13:03:27

Ron has denied the rumours in yesterday's Metro, so I don't think it's going to happen (unless the Metro got the wrong end of the stick - I have to say nowhere else appears to have picked up on the news yet).

Comment by Clive

05/03/2008 14:06:17

Back and forth, the pendulum swings... It's a silly game at times, isn't it, Alianora?

Comment by Alianora La Canta

05/03/2008 15:10:57

Indeed so, Clive!

Comment by Ravino

10/03/2008 18:40:19

Just discovered this website by accident, and I'm so refreshed to see articles that look beyond the obvious, and that do not pamper to the FIA. Ron went to the FIA as soon as Alonso told him of the emails... that honesty just put the whole corrupt FIA organization in to motion... Ron should stay on to enjoy the fruits of his labour, and never buckle under the FIA injustices. I very much look forward to reading more articles that look beneath the FIA covers o expose the truth about how corrupt they really are... good work... keep it going...

Comment by Clive

10/03/2008 18:51:24

Thanks very much, Ravino - it's always good to know that my articles are being read. And I shall continue to keep a close eye on the FIA and Max, etc. It's one of my favourite pastimes, after all!

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